Thank you, I may just buy another 18M2 and a memory chip and play with them on a bread board, now that I put a little thought into it $80CAD for an Axe110/034 is a little much at the moment. Which brings me to my next set of questions, I have been reading the manual, "Serial Interfacing to a Computer", but I have no serial connections on any of the PCs here at home. I do have an Axe026 (my out-of-town PC has serial), I was thinking of ordering an Axe027 but now maybe just a RS232 to USB. Has there been issues with using a converter or should I just get the Axe027? Is interfacing with a computer with USB basically the same as indicated in Picaxe Manual 3, "Serial Interfacing to a Computer"?